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Old 08-22-2013, 11:00 AM
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I'll take Georgians.

Jack, I may want to borrow yours.

But: Does anyone know a good manufacturer of Georgians appropriate for this period?

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:05 AM
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God Wills It!
The First Crusade
A Two Davids Campaign Theme at Fall In
5pm-midnight Saturday, Nov. 16, 2013


[Recent Changes: added Alan Ferrency and John Svensson to the signup. Currently 14 signups, plus DK unplaced yet]

The devastating defeat at Manzikert in 1071 AD nearly destroyed Byzantium; the richer half of its empire dissolved and Seljuk horsemen conquered almost all of Anatolia. Desperate for any assistance, the Byzantine Emperor asked for a little help from the West. This was, as it turned out, much like asking a Lion for help fighting the Wolves. It might work, but your sheep still gets eaten.


Special Rules:
There will actually be two maps in use; one represents 1097 as the First Crusade swept across Anatolia, which will be the map for the first turn of the campaign, and one represents 1100-1120ish, which will be the map used thereafter. Positions within the Crusader Kingdoms (the later map) are linked to positions in the first map and vice versa.

Here is the first map for 1097-1099 AD:



Here is the second (main) map for 1100-1120 AD:



Armies Available:
  • IV/1(a) Komnenan Byzantines (4 armies)
    1. Byzantium: Jack "the Butcher" Sheriff
    2. Trebizond
    3. Ephesus and Anatolia: Charlie Zee
    4. Cyprus
  • IV/7 Early Crusaders (4 armies)
    1. Principality of Antioch (Siege of Antioch on turn 1, 1097 map): Tim Hladon
    2. County of Edessa (Battle of Edessa on turn 1, 1097 map): Rich Baier
    3. Kingdom of Jerusalem (Battle of Ascalon on turn 1, 1097 map): Larry Chaban
    4. County of Tripoli (Battle of Dorylaeum on turn 1, 1097 map): Bill Brown
  • III/73(b) Seljuk Turks (4 armies)
    1. Konya: Seljuk Sultan of Rum
    2. Emir of Sivas
    3. Emir of Erzinjan: Jan Spoor (Winterbadger)
    4. Emir of Akhlat
  • III/65 Fatamid Egyptians (3 armies)
    1. Alexandria: DS
    2. Cairo: Spencer Ginder
    3. Mecca and the Red Sea: Ron Giampapa
  • IV/6 Syrian (2 armies)
    1. Damascus: David Mitchell (King David)
    2. Aleppo
  • III/53 Dynastic Bedouin (2 armies)
    1. Emir of Mosul
    2. Emir of Hilla
  • IV/2 Cilician Armenian (1 army): Rob Torres
  • Zirid Emirate: III/33 EMNAS (1 army): John Svensson
  • III/70(b) Georgian (1 army): Alan Ferrency

More Special Rules:
  • Crusader Armies:
    • All Crusader players must bring elements to support up to 3 dismounted Knights, for use on the first campaign turn if required. They don't get a choice, it may be forced upon them. Historically these dismounted knights represent Crusaders who have lost their horses on the initial assault across Anatolia.
    • Crusader players may not take the 3Bw option -- that choice must be Psiloi. The 3Cb option may be used, though.
    • There won't be any dismounted Knights after the first campaign turn.
  • All battles on the first turn (the 1097 map) do NOT create vassals. You get points for the Win as usual (but no bonus points). The battles on the 1097 map result in the Byzantine recovery of the Anatolian coast and the establishment of the Crusader Kingdoms, from which the campaign builds thereafter.
  • After the first turn, when the Crusader kingdoms are established and the 1100 AD map is used, battles with or against them create vassals as normal.
  • Byzantine Armies: at least one of the "2Ps or 4Bw" element options must be taken as a Psiloi.
  • No armies are allied except through conquest; anyone may attack anyone. Treachery and civil war in Byzantium was de regueur (and was why they lost at Manzikert in 1071); the various Arab powers were more worried about each other than about the Crusaders; and the Crusaders fought among themselves with Arab allies within the timeperiod of this map!
  • Naval Movement: Byzantium (all except Trebizond), Fatamids (Alexandria and Cairo), and the Zirid Emirate are all capable of Naval Movement. All Naval Movement counts as distance 1 total (and then any further movement by land at normal cost). Trebizond can use Naval Movement only on the first turn (which is before Trebizond recaptures Trebizond), and only in the Black Sea; thereafter it loses its navy. Only the player resident in Byzantium proper (i.e., not Ephesus or Cyprus) can use Naval Movement in the Black Sea after turn 1; he may attack Georgia without having to traverse Trebizond by using Naval Movement. The Cilician Armenians and the three Crusader Kingdoms of Antioch, Tripoli, and Jerusalem (i.e., not Edessa) may use Naval Movement to attack Cyprus, but at the equivalent of distance 2; they may not use Naval Movement otherwise. Even when Naval Movement is used, there will be no Littoral Landings in the tactical game that results.
  • 1097 AD Map:
    • Crusader armies are moving to fight for and achieve their established kingdoms (that show up in the 1100 AD map). As such, each Crusader army has a red-star location representing its location for the 1097 map; this is in some cases not exactly the same as its location in 1100 AD. For one army (County of Tripoli/Battle of Dorylaeum) the location is quite different.
    • Crusader armies count as inside (0 distance) each region the red star touches. In particular, this means that:
      • Battle of Dorylaeum is zero distance from Byzantium, Sivas, and Konya
      • Battle of Edessa is zero distance from Sivas, Erzinjan, and Aleppo
      • Siege of Antioch is zero distance from Sivas, Aleppo, and Damascus
      • Battle of Ascalon is zero distance from Damascus, Mecca, and both Cairo and Alexandria
    • Crusader armies are subject to some special rules in their 1097 battles only.
      • Battle of Dorylaeum: the Crusader army may not take any dismounted knights. It MUST field a flank march of 2-4 elements, with the following rules:
        • exactly 2 elements must be 3Kn
        • 0-2 elements may be any infantry (not 3Kn)
        • Every Crusader bound, if the Crusaders roll 6 pips, the flank march appears. Otherwise it does not.
        • Flank march costs 1 pip to deploy as a group on either side (left or right side, chosen at that turn, not both) which counts as a normal move (they cannot move again that turn except through normal second/subsequent moves). It costs +1 pip to deploy if out of command control of the general.
      • Battle of Edessa: two Crusader Knight must deploy and fight as 4Bd dismounted, representing losses of horses.
      • Siege of Antioch: three Crusader Knights must deploy and fight as 4Bd dismounted, representing losses of horses.
      • Battle of Ascalon: one Crusader Knight must deploy and fight as 4Bd dismounted, representing losses of horses.
    • Cairo and Alexandria both count as occupying that one region in the map; their movement is counted as starting from there. They are not allied (they may attack each other), but are not required to attack each other on any turn just because they start in the same zone (they may move out). If they do attack each other, both armies are Aggression 0. If an enemy moves in to attack the zone while both are occupying it, the choice of who defends is random (flip a coin) and the other is still free to act. It is not possible for an enemy to move through the zone until both Fatamid players are otherwise occupied.
    • Movement through Arabia is impossible for armies.
  • 1100 AD Map:
    • Cilicia and Ephesus count as adjacent by land movement; they don't need to traverse Konya to get to each other. Konya is also adjacent to the sea; it can be attacked by Naval Movement without the attacker having to traverse Cilicia or Ephesus.
    • Cairo and Alexandria both count as occupying that one region in the map; their movement is counted as starting from there. They are not allied (they may attack each other), but are not required to attack each other on any turn just because they start in the same zone (they may move out). If they do attack each other, both armies are Aggression 0. If an enemy moves in to attack the zone while both are occupying it, the choice of who defends is random (flip a coin) and the other is still free to act. It is not possible for an enemy to move through the zone until both Fatamid players are otherwise occupied.
    • Movement through Arabia is impossible for armies.

We'll be adding more special rules here as we work out the details of the campaign theme, but we wanted to get the signup available so players could sign up.

As always, signup here or directly to me or DS by email. First come first served.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:25 PM
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DK: You can put me down for the Emir of Zirid, and I will have to do some digging since I've never heard of them, but I stand by prepared to be used like a cheap suit! John Svensson
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:38 PM
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DK: You can put me down for the Emir of Zirid, and I will have to do some digging since I've never heard of them, but I stand by prepared to be used like a cheap suit! John Svensson
They are Early Muslim North Africa and Sicily (EMNAS), if that helps. Look an awful lot like Fatamids or most arab powers of the period in their cavalry; they can have up to three crappy Berber spear elements.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:25 PM
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I'll take Georgians.

Jack, I may want to borrow yours.

But: Does anyone know a good manufacturer of Georgians appropriate for this period?

Thanks,
Alan
I was going to loan you my Late Georgians, but the Rebel Flag is out of period!
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:31 PM
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Curses. A game in which my Dynastic Bedouins finally could face their historical foes, but no way to get away from home and work that weekend.
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Hey Rich & Larry (or should I say yunz guys),
Consider the facts that I'm a Pitt alum, former Steeler season ticket holder, I learned DBA from Larry Stone in the 'Burgh, and all my kids were born in Pittsburgh -- does that mean we have "all Pittsburgh" Crusader contingent for the campaign game?
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Hey Rich & Larry (or should I say yunz guys),
Consider the facts that I'm a Pitt alum, former Steeler season ticket holder, I learned DBA from Larry Stone in the 'Burgh, and all my kids were born in Pittsburgh -- does that mean we have "all Pittsburgh" Crusader contingent for the campaign game?
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:21 PM
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Default Stoogeum Honorarius ?

Whoa! Does that mean I'm an honorary stooge for Fall In (don't toy with me)?
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Whoa! Does that mean I'm an honorary stooge for Fall In (don't toy with me)?
Let's not get crazy, now.
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